Oral history interview of Nelson Fisk Hagar

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Veterans History Project: Oral History Interviews
Title:
Oral history interview of Nelson Fisk Hagar
Creator:
Wallace, Fredrick C.
Hagar, Nelson Fisk, 1924-2008
Date of Original:
2004-01-22
Subject:
Atomic bomb
World War, 1939-1945--Personal narratives, American
Tibbets, Paul W. (Paul Warfield), 1915-2007
Nelson, Richard H., 1925-2003
United States. Army Air Forces. Composite Group, 509th
Enola Gay (Bomber)
Royal Insurance Company of America
Location:
Northern Mariana Islands, Tinian, 15.0116123, 145.629297331134
United States, Georgia, 32.75042, -83.50018
United States, Georgia, Atlanta Metropolitan Area, 33.8498, 84.4383
United States, Georgia, Bibb County, Macon, 32.84069, -83.6324
United States, Illinois, Scott Air Force Base, 38.543912, -89.847472145009
United States, Maryland, Anne Arundel County, Fort Meade, 39.10815, -76.74323
United States, Nebraska, Lancaster County, Lincoln, 40.8, -96.66696
United States, New Jersey, Burlington County, Fort Dix, 40.02984, -74.61849
United States, Utah, Tooele County, Wendover Field (historical), 40.718, -114.03222
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video recordings (physical artifacts)
hi-8
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video/quicktime
Description:
In this interview, Nelson Hagar recalls his experiences in the Army Air Forces in the Pacific during World War II. After being drafted, he passed the Air Cadet test, but his vision disqualified him from flying. He was trained as a radio operator and mechanic. Because of the need for infantry troops after the Battle of the Bulge, he was returned to the Army Infantry, but before he was sent overseas, he was met by an Army Air Forces colonel and returned to the AAF. The unit to which he was sent was the first atomic bomb group. He traveled to the Pacific from Seattle in a troopship and during the voyage volunteered to take the place of the Navy's radio operator, whose appendix had burst. He recalls in detail that experience, as well as arriving in Hawaii. In Tinian, their compound was heavily guarded. He describes a destructive typhoon and other conditions on the island. He describes the events of the day when the first atomic bomb was dropped. He recalls other incidents which occurred while he lived on the island. He recalls his trip home via Oakland (Calif.), New Mexico and Santa Ana (Calif); and his post war career.
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Nelson Hagar was in the U.S. Army Air Forces in the Pacific during WWII.
VETERANS HISTORY INTERVIEW NELSON HAGAR Atlanta History Center Interviewer: Frederick Wallace Transcriber: Stephanie McKinnell FREDERICK WALLACE: This is the beginning of an interview with Mr. Nelson Hagar. Mr. Hagar is a veteran of World War II in which he served in the US Army Airforce and the US Army from the period of July 1944 to October 1945. This interview is being conducted at the Atlanta History Center in Atlanta, Georgia. My name is Frederick Wallace, I am the interviewer. Mr. Hagar, as we have discussed, this is your story, and this is your opportunity to tell the American people just what you experienced during your time of service. I want you to begin by telling us when and where you were born, where you entered the service, why you entered the service, and then take us to your first duty station which is boot camp or basic training, and take us step by step from that point on. This is your story, will you begin please. NELSON HAGAR: Okay, I'm Nelson, known as Nels Hagar, sometimes referred to as Hagar the Horrible in the comics. I lived in Westfield, New Jersey, and the war, World War number II, I was drafted in July of 1944. I went to Fort Dix, NJ, and in the processing was sent to Macon, Georgia in the infantry. And went through basic training, completed that and at that point, I was told that I would qualify to take the exam for the air cadet, which I did and passed. Was then transferred directly from Macon to Miami Beach, and there I had basic training once again under the palm trees. And in completing that was sent to Madison, Wisconsin to the air base. The purpose there was to put aside the air cadet because of my eyes not being such that I qualified and I had had some training in Morse code, whatever, in high school before going into the service, and it was a special training program at Madison for radio operator and mechanics and I took both. At that point, with the ____ I accomplished, I was designated to go to further training to become a high speed radio operator. This was a position that there were very few of us in the air force, in fact in any of the services. And this required special training which was at Scott air base in ____, St. Louis area. And it was at that point that I received a high speed radio operator training. And I was completing this training when the Battle of the Bulge was going on in Europe. And all of the men who had been at one point in the infantry were then called back to the infantry to be sent after basic training to Europe to be involved in the Battle of the Bulge. This involved my going back to Macon, Georgia to the infantry, through basic training once again. This was my third basic training, I had my fill of crawling on the ground under barbed wire, whatever. Completed that and was sent to the coast to board ship to be sent to Europe. FW: Can I ask how did you feel at this point, you had been in the air force, had gone through technical training at Scott air base and then taken out of technical training and sent back to the infantry. What were you thinking? NH: I was thinking that there were powers to be that knew better what was needed at that point to accomplish our goals to win the war, and since it involved possibly a major loss in the Battle of the Bulge, I felt that if that was needed, then that was to be, and I was ready to go. It was at that point that a command car arrived at Fort Meade and I was approached by a colonel from the air force, and was told to get in his command car and was driven to a train. And said what's this all about, and he said you're now back in the air force and you're being sent to Lincoln, Nebraska, which is what happened. And from there, I was sent to my assignment, my final assignment, to be in the 509th composite group which was known as the first atomic bomb group. We were at Wendover, Utah, and on the train from Lincoln to Wendover, the porter on the train said you're going to really like Wendover because there's a beautiful buxom blonde under every tree, and as I got off the train, I looked around for the trees, and there were none, we were in the salt flats. And there we were. That purpose, how this all seemed to come together was the powers that be knew that something really was available to either complete the war in the Pacific or certainly to make a big difference, and there was a lot going on that no one knew about, particularly in Chicago where there was testing on the atomic ____. And initially a group of 800 people that were sent to Wendover as the nucleus for the group. Then the decision was made based upon the explosion of the atomic bomb to bring together all of the personnel who had been in special training unbeknownst to anybody else throughout the world. And not known by me, that I was part of that training. And this was going on with individuals like myself throughout the world. At this point, a button was pushed at the Pentagon, and we were all brought together. And that became the beginning of the pull by the composite group. FW: And this was at Wendover Air Force Base? NH: Yes, this was about a three hour drive across the salt flats in Utah through Salt Lake City. FW: What was your impression of the base from the first moment, other than not having a blonde under each tree? NH: The impression was we sure got something going on here that seemed to be unusual. Wendover is right on the border of Nevada, and on the Nevada side is a gambling facility, casino, and on the Utah side was a restaurant and a gas station and post office. That was the extent of Wendover. I understand it was about 300 people that lived in that area and were all related to the casino, the gambling. First thing I saw was a sign that said what you see here, what you hear here, let it stay here. And that was an indication that we were to keep our mouths shut. Anything that we saw or heard or participated in. Upon arrival, I was asked to go to the command center and have a meeting with Colonel Paul Tibbets who was commander of the unit. There were two of us that were involved in that interview, Richard Nelson and myself, we both were radio operators. The question was asked what is your background and you're looking at all the papers that are before him and he stopped everything and he said, Corporal, I see that you're a high speed radio operator, what does that mean? I said that means I take code with a typewriter. He said well that makes my decision easy. At that point, he turned to Richard Nelson, you are going to be on my plane and Corporal, you are going to be on the ground of our mission and you will be assigned to my whole command wherever we go. So not having a typewriter on a 509th plane, the B-29, I was grounded. And from there, we spent approximately eight months putting together what was needed to perform a mission. And that mission as time went on, was very obvious that something special was going on. As an example of that, one of the times in Salt Lake City, a weekend pass, Richard Nelson and I were in a bar in Salt Lake City, and sitting next to us was a beautiful lady. And she struck up a conversation with Dick Nelson and was asking what's going on out there in Wendover. We've been told to answer that by saying that we are retraining for air-sea rescue, and that was the answer that was given by Dick. The next day, back at Wendover and walking through the camp came this lady. She was dressed in uniform, she was a colonel, and she approached Dick and said young man, you did well, thank you for answering the way you did. It was one example of what we were all involved in. And we were very closely watched and were constantly told that you see the sign and you do exactly as it said and we are air-sea rescue. Along the way and at a point where other decisions were being made in Washington by President Truman who was in Potsdam for a meeting ____ the people. We were told to pack up and we were heading out. Part of us went by air and part of us went by boat. I was in the group that went by boat, and we ended up going out of Seattle on four troop ships. And went to Hawaii and at that point, the convoy was brought together. We had the experience of seeing Hawaii by being brought up to the dock. We were allowed to get off on the pier and watch the hula-hula dancers. And at that point, the chaplain for the group was approached by one of the hula-hula gals and said I want to show you how to do this. We all had a big kick out of that. And at that point, we went back on the ship. There were a number of young men who had cases of pineapple juice, and they were being sold like mad. Well ___ you find out we got on the ship and looked at the carton and said it was packed in the United States, not in Hawaii. The convoy left was heading to the ____ island group. The announcement was made on the now hear this, they needed a volunteer radio operator. And one thing you never do is volunteer in the service. I had my fill of sitting on the deck playing cards with the guys, I volunteered only to find that what it was was the radio operator for the ship had an appendicitis attack and there I was up on the bridge with the captain in the ____, which was where the radio was located. And since it was a convoy, there were no lights, no communications going on. Here I was in the ____ with a tarpaulin over the front. And at that point the captain of the ship said, young man, you come out here and sit with me. FW: ____. NH: That's the, ___ the ship where the engine, all of the fumes come up into the air. A hot spot. FW: I see. NH: It would have been rather interesting to be in there and baking literally. Being up there, the captain kind of took me under his wing, and we reached a point where he said look up there, there's the southern cross, and that was the type of experience I was having with him as we went to the south pacific. The people who were down back on the deck are wondering how in the world I was able to be up there with the captain. Only the captain had his meals, I had my meals. And they were down there in the heat of where the meals were being served, and we got a lot of kidding about that. So we finally arrived in Tinian in the ____ islands. As we went ashore, first thing we saw was a Japanese submarine, one man submarine which was a kamikaze type of thing, and that was our first sight of war. We went to an area where the Seabees… FW: Where was the submarine, was it active? NH: It was on the shore. It had been beached, and I guess the person who was on there decided that he would do better, do the war or do his thing, blow himself up. We ended up, to make a long story short, with the Seabee base on the island which had Quonset huts and we were sent to that. It was heavily guarded, you could not get in or out without going through a guard gate, and that became rather interesting, it was a familiar sight, _____. And with that type of relationship, ____, and being completely cut off literally from others, there were some hard feelings on the personnel and the other groups who daily were going and flying into Japan and risking their lives. We were kidded literally with I think it was some indication of how people were looking at us, they were wondering what we were all about. Our planes had an arrow circled on the tail, they were saying well I guess you needed an arrow to show you which way the plane should go, things of this type. When the Enola Gay did take off, that was changed to an ‘R', I guess the purpose of that being to offset any feeling the Japanese through their intelligence had, we were something else. We had made four missions into Japan for bombing. And it became very interesting to be there with that kind of feeling on the island. FW: You said that your particular group had flown regular bombing mission in Japan or all the groups on the island. NH: That happened, I'm sure, Colonel Tibbets was feeling the heat. I guess, this is only my own judgment, that he decided that it would be helpful if our plane did take off on some missions and it was accomplished. Actually what was going on, our planes were taking off, they we doing their exercises to reach the point of elevation where when the bomb was dropped that it would be proper height, the timing of the bomb not exploding on the ground but off the ground, a very delicate thing. And it had to be very precise, and that training was going on constantly, mission after mission going nowhere except through this type of training. There was some talk on the island that they didn't know where we were going, where we were, what it was all about. I was assigned as a radio operator, as a decoy, along with Harry Pinnenger from St. Louis to the island command radio station. We were the only two individuals in the group that were a part of the normal operation on the island. We were assigned to the radio station, the island command. We sat next to all the other personnel on the island, we did the same thing they did. We were there setting the time out, taking the bombed dropped message, handling air to sea rescue, which is a very important part of the operation. You get a fix on a plane that was down and the operator had ____ so he would have some ability to take a fix on the plane. There we were, and we, instead of being in the Quonset huts along with the rest of the group, we were in a tent and away from the main operation. So we were identified as being a part of the island operation and we were accepted as such, we were doing everything that everybody else was doing. That became a very interesting sideline, there was a typhoon that hit Wendover. The Quonset huts were blown apart, our tent, we merely folded down on top of us. FW: Let me correct you, you were not at Wendover. NH: Pardon me, at Tibbeon. The Quonset huts were torn apart and there we were, we were the only people who had our housing, it was a tent. Then at a point, Harry Pinnenger and myself were asked to go to the chapel on the island. FW: What was this fellow's name? NH: Harry.. FW: Harry. What was the last name? NH: Pinnenger. FW: Pinnenger. NH: Right. FW: Ok. NH: We were to go to the chapel which is in our complex, and there in the chapel were a number of people that included the scientist who had developed the bomb, that were part of a group that met every time with us, the air crew of the plane, and the chaplain. The chaplain made a talk that we all well remember, and I have a book of our operation and what he said to us is in that book, the 509th composite, first atomic bomb. Basically it was to the effect that something is going to change in the world and hopefully it will lead to permanent peace in the world not just now but in the future. And at that point, we all dispersed and went to the radio station. In the radio station, there were two radios that were set aside, and Harry Pinnenger and I were assigned to those radios. Those radios were set up to be the contact for the entire mission. We sat there for the entire mission and sent the weather out and sent the time out and waited for something to come through. And the first communication we had was from the weather planes that had preceded the Enola Gay going to I believe three different possible bomb sites. They were sending their weather at these locations so Colonel Tibbets could make a decision to go to the primary target or had to go otherwise. So we received those and then sat in silence once again. Then a message came through and it was in code, I have no idea of the content of that. All I knew was that there was a general sitting at our back and when the message came through, he unfortunately took it and left. And we wondered what this was all about. At that point, we were then asked to leave the station and to go down to the airfield and there was to be a special event that involved General Spatz I believe, who, when the plane returned, gave a special honor to Tibbits. And we were all there, the crew came out, Dick Nelson asked me, I said Dick what this is all about. He wouldn't say anything and he didn't say anything for a number of days. FW: Was Dick Nelson one of the crew members? NH: He was the radio operator. FW: On the Enola Gay. NH: He was my contact, I was his contact. He had seen the whole thing and was part of it. At that point, the group were all honored by accommodation from the top brass. We found out that the atomic bomb had been dropped and it was the beginning of something new in the world. We all dispersed, went back to our enclosure where a special meal was served. That included some beer that had been flown in directly from St. Louis, Budweiser beer, the real stuff. That had been shipped out to us on our cargo plane unit. Composite group was made up of many different units. We were complete. And the purpose of the group was that if there was a need anywhere in the world, the group, in one unit would be sent anywhere in the world to do its mission. It was complete all the way from MPs to engineering, special engineering, ordnance, you name it, and that included the cargo plane. So we were self contained, it was a new concept. It worked. ____ secret and accomplished a mission which did effect changes in the world. FW: When you heard that the Enola Gay had returned from dropping the atomic bomb, what were your feelings? NH: Uh, I returned to our enclosure, the scientists were there, and they asked I come over and sit with them and have a meal, which I did. And I think we all were, I'll just say it, we were in limbo of not knowing how we felt. We really didn't know exactly what had happened. We didn't know the results. But we did know that something had happened that was new and we were part of it. FW: Was there a feeling of pride to be a part of this new thing? NH: Really not. Being a service person, we all did our job. We were told what to do and we did it. And my personal feeling was that I was part of something that involve different feelings by different people. That occasionally comes out when people know that I am part of the atomic age, the beginning. People seem, when they find this out in conversation, they tend to shy away from getting involved in the conversation. I guess that occurs _____. The time now, in this very critical point in the world, where we are in dangerous times, and we are at a point where we could destroy each other completely. That would most certainly include the atomic venture. We have no idea who has what and it's scary. And my personal feeling is that our president at this point is handling it very well. He is not being trapped into making decisions by what others are saying and what polls are saying. He, I feel is a very Christian individual and my understanding is he prays every day. This is a time when we all need to pray, and God knows what's going on. He knows the need of some changes and how this is handled by him, only He knows. It's a long response to your question. Pride is certainly not a part of war, and I certainly had no pride at being part of the 509th. I was a participant and memories that go along with that and the men and women that I spent time with in the 509th are some very special people. Highly trained, very, very dedicated individuals who have gone out their life after the event, some including my friend Richard Nelson who was the operator on the plane, passed away recently. It will all become a part of each one of us as individuals. Our feeling and praying and dreaming, hoping that some sense will be made, that some follow through on what was said by our chaplain preceding the flight, that hopefully this will lead to the final peace in the world. And it will not be used otherwise. And if we're smart, we haven't any true feeling about humanity. This is a time to make peace. I feel at peace, I am very proud of my family, I have three children. I have four grandchildren and one great grandson. They're all doing very well, I'm very proud. FW: You were not married at the time you went into the service? NH: I was not married, I came directly out of high school. I graduated and got on a bus and went to war. FW: How did you stay in contact with your family while you were on the island? Did you stay in contact with your parents and brothers and sisters? NH: The contact was through letters. Yeah, they were constant. And my family, my folks and my brother, a letter was sent to me every day and boy, what support. I knew when they had the mail call, there would be a letter for me. And I have learned since that everything we wrote in returning was heavily censored, again for security purposes. The family is the foundation of it, this world is all about. We're all family, really. And we have generations, I'm in the 79 year old generation. Something in which I have experienced is old now to the next generation and we've passed on and on and on. Hopefully we'll all still be there with that passing on is there to learn about what life is all about. FW: Did you have an opportunity for relaxation and entertainment on the island? NH: Yes. FW: What kind? NH: The, part of our compound included a theatre with a movie screen, and with different layers, ___ go into the ground, and they would go there to watch a movie. I didn't have the opportunity very often to do that because I was at the radio station doing my thing. The fun part of all that for the people in the group, if you want to call fun sitting there and watching movies and at a point in time in the evening, the cloudburst would appear and we'd all get drenched and we'd all cover our heads and we'd let the rain stop and then cover up our heads and enjoy the movie. There was very strong camaraderie among the people in the group. One experience that we had, I had mentioned this earlier, was the ability to get in and out of the compound through the guard gate. One of our members was from Manhattan, and he was a maverick. And he liked to go out and explore the islands. And one of his adventures down near the beach area, was a JEEP, and he thought well, gee, this is great. And he went over, found the key on the JEEP. He proceeded to get in the JEEP and take off. It turned out that the JEEP was the private property of a very high person in the Navy who was down on the beach with his girlfriend, a nurse, and he came back for his JEEP and no JEEP. The word went out to find the JEEP, and the whole island security is finding who in the world has taken the admiral's JEEP. Well, it was quite a chase going on. And Tinian makeup is like Manhattan and Broadway and all the streets. So quite the chase went on and finally our member decided to come to roost back in our compound, which he did, he went through the security gate with his JEEP and following him were all the MPs, and they were stopped. And they were not allowed to come in and the question was asked well what's going on. Our JEEP has been kidnapped, it's gone, and we know where it is. It's in your compound and we're coming in and coming to retrieve it. Well there's a lot of commotion going on in island command at this point, and my understanding was that Col. Tibbets finally had said to people around the command table, the island command, sir, what were you doing with the JEEP, why were you down there exposing yourself to possible capture by the Japanese who were still on the island, ____ out in caves. Not a very smart thing to do and are you married. At that point, the whole issue came to a screeching halt and the JEEP was returned and something was said I'm sure to the person who took the JEEP. But that was some of the experiences we were having. FW: That was unusual. Did you have the opportunity to see any USO shows that were going throughout, traveling throughout the Pacific? HN: There were some of that going on on the island and I never was part of that because I basically was spending the night at the station, and that's when the shows would take place. There was nothing in USO at our compound. FW: Did you experience any hostile action, hostile fire while on the island? HN: It wasn't hostile fire. Being at the island command radio station, I was given instructions to send out the message to the planes who were either heading for Japan or coming back to tell them to return home. And it was quite an adventure as soon as I did that, every radio operator in every plane locked his key in celebration. You could see them literally turning their plane around and heading home, and there were hundreds. On the island, they had the group that protected the island and they had their anti-aircraft battery and they decided that they were going to celebrate. With their tracer bullets, they took off in one big huge bang. All of us, with our station being the highest point in the island, all these tracer bullets were coming directly over our station and exploding and it was quite the experience. We were hoping that we survived the war and we would survive our own people in the anti-aircraft, but they were having a ball. FW: So although the Japanese were still on the island they were of no concern to you? HN: Yes, they were. They, when the island was invaded, taken back, it started on one end of the island which was flat, and they were pushed, Japanese were pushed back to the far end of the island, which was cliffs and had caves. And what we did was to push them right up to the brink, some of them jumped and were killed and a lot of them proceeded to live in the caves. And it was very dangerous because they were still there and every once in a while they would come out and they would shoot at the JEEPs going down Broadway and kill somebody. And this was going on everyday. So we were still at war, the Japanese were still there. And the story went around, I don't know whether it was true or not that the nurse had been captured by ____ and taken back to their cave and _____. And then was released, it was a horrible thing. I had a feeling at the time this actually hadn't happened but it was a very direct warning to all of us, do not get away from where you're supposed to be because you may very well be shot or worse. And when that word went out about the young lady, everybody was on their honor and about the only place that we could go as far as an adventure was down to the beach, and that was patrolled. As the planes would take off, they would take off over our encampment. They would take off, these are all the planes, they would take off over a cemetery. The first thing that they would see was a flag pole with the United States flag flying. And they would go over there the cemetery. I just try to picture myself being in the plane and that being my first sight and last sight at Tinian going and coming back. Part of the operation for the other planes is taking mines to put in the harbor in Japan, who were very, very heavy. Because of that weight when they took off, they would reach the end of the island with a very deep drop and the air current they've suddenly lost their lift and they would have to fight to keep from ditching, going in. Some of them did not make it and there would be a huge explosion. As far as explosions are concerned, the Enola Gay that took off had the bomb, the decision was made not to arm the bomb before they took, they were afraid that if something were to happen, it would blow the island to kingdom come. The bomb, there in the bomb bay had to be armed, and that was done by one of the crew members. And you can imagine going into a bomb bay and arming a bomb. And it was very tricky. They, my understanding was that part of this arming process was done by a team of special ordnance. Each member of the team had one thing to do and then he would leave the room and another man would come in and do his thing. And finally the whole thing would be put together, but there were a number of people that were in this process. The purpose being for security that no one person knew how to arm the bomb, it was all in a matter of steps. FW: We've got about ten minutes left. Can you take us from the army back to your point of separation? NH: Just after the war was over, we returned to the States as a group, two units as we'd gone over, air echelon and the other by ship. We landed in Oakland, California, ____. From the ship on the dock, we were served of all things, and have to really understand this, we were served milk. And boy did we cherish that milk. And orange juice and fried chicken. This all occurred right there at the dock area. We then were put on a train and were sent to Roswell, New Mexico. The adventure, if you can picture this, of a very large group of men arriving in a town of Roswell which is a very quiet, church loving community, of having all these soldiers with one pass coming into Roswell. And being their first experience with ___, were not allowed to go anywhere when they landed, our first exposure being back in the states was Roswell. We all headed to the local bar or to a shoe store where we would buy shoes. And at the bar, the line would be that you would get your drink and get back to the end of the line and just go around. A local newspaper took offense to this. And you will imagine what the people in Roswell were feeling. They calmed down immediately after our first adventure. FW: And was that where you were separated from the service, in Roswell? NH: I was sent to Santa Anna, CA to be released from the service. Took a train from Roswell to Santa Anna, was discharged and then took a train all the way across the United States to New Jersey. Didn't seem to make much sense going from halfway across the United States to the west coast and then all the way back. Someone was picking up the tab for all this. FW: That's the military for you, right. NH: That is the military for you. FW: Well, we're coming to the end of the cassette, and this has really been very, very interesting. ___ interesting experience. I imagine when you got back to New Jersey your family met you or you went to your family. NH: Yes, yes. FW: And then life started anew again. NH: I got married. FW: Did you return to school? NH: I finished high school. I was lucky enough to get into a special program by the Royal Insurance company, it was a new venture for them, combining all the elements of the insurance industry into one venture. So we were twenty five men who spent a year under the GI bill in the headquarters of the Royal Insurance company, got trained on everything insurance and then were sent out as managers into service centers. I went to Kansas City. And it was the beginning of a new life, lucky enough to get into management right from the start. There were others taking years and years to get to that point coming up in different layers in the company and the growth. FW: And that was a direct result of you taking advantage of the GI Bill. Well, thank you very much Mr. Hagar, this has been very interesting as I said. NH: Well, it's been nice visiting with you and the people will be watching this over the years and my family and others. FW: So you can tell your family then that this information will be available in the Library of Congress. NH: This is really a great thing. FW: We think it is and that's why we enjoy doing this. Thank you very much. NH: Thank you sir.
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