Carmen Rakestraw interview with Vestula Estelle Carnes, Benjamin Marvin Bowman, Edna Irene Carnes Dixon, Laura Grace Carnes Bowen, Linda G. Rucks, Shelley Butler Bowman, Susie Mae Bowman, Cherly Diane Bowman, and William Darius Bowman (part two)

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If you believe you are the copyright holder of any of the content published in this collection and do not want it publicly available, please contact the Kenan Research Center at the Atlanta History Center at 404-814-4040 or reference@atlantahistorycenter.com. This is part two of a four part recording; it begins with an unidentified man testing the microphone. At around seconds 0:25, a recording of an unidentifiable radio station starts to play rock, pop, and blues music from artists including Nazz, Santana, Three Dog Night, and Deep Purple. The music plays for the duration of the audio. Vestula Estelle (Brown) Carns (1893-1973) was born in Crossville, Alabama, to Raymond Vestula Estelle Brown (1896-1973) was born in Crossville, Alabama, to Raymond Brown and Ola Thrasher and raised on a farm. In 1909 she married Marvin Jackson Carns (1894-1971), with whom she had several children that she also raised on a farm in Crossville, including Laura Grace Carnes (1928-2006) and Edna Irene Carnes (1913-1989). Laura Grace married J. T. Bowen (1924-1997) and worked at a blue jean factory. She had two daughters, including Linda Gail Rucks (1944-2022), who was also born in Crossville, Alabama, and worked on a farm raising cattle and picking cotton. She later married James Lauvaughn Rucks (1940-2020). Edna Irene Carnes married Butler Shelley Bowman (1906-1985) in 1930 and worked at a clothing factory. Shelly Butler Bowman was born in Paulding County, Georgia, to Benjamin Monroe Bowman (1870-1950) and Lily Ola Bowman (1884-1958). He grew up on a farm and was a folk singer and banjo player. He married twice after Edna Carnes; first to Annie Elizabeth McDaniel (1908-1983), then to Susie Mae Bowman (1930-1999), who was born in 1930 in Buchanan, Georgia. With Shelly Bowman she had four children, including Cheryl Diane (1954- ) and William Darius (1959- ). She worked at Sears on Ponce De Leon Ave. in Atlanta, Georgia. Shelley Bowmans other children include Benjamin Marvin Bowman (1934-2018), who was born in Powder Springs, Georgia, and grew up in Crossville. He served in the United States Air Force and worked at Lance Incorporated in Gadsden, Alabama. Two of Shelley Bowmans grandchildren include Carmen Rakestraw (1950- ) and Robin Conrad Rakestraw (1954- ), both of whom lived in Atlanta, Georgia. Background Material My first tape was recorded in Crossville, Alabama. Crossville, a small town with small surrounding farms, is located on Sand Mountain, right outside of Collinsville, Alabama. Its chief crop is cotton. Vestula Estelle Carnes was born in Crossville, Alabama in DeKalb County on June 23, 1896. She is now seventy-four years old, about three-hundred pounds, and always wears her long hair back in a bun. She has a sore on her leg that no doctor can heal; they want to remove her leg. She will not stand for this however, and gets around the best she can. She lives in Crossville now in a fairly large one story house. The rooms have high ceilings and the walls are made of wood. There is a screened in porch where there is a fairly cool breeze. Her house is located on Highway 65. Grandma was raised in Crossville on a farm. She helped milk the cows, picked cotton, and did chores for her mother. They didn't have much money. Her father was very strict and would not even allow she and her sisters to wear ribbons in their hair. He didn't want them to get married and so left almost everything in his will to her sisters, because they became old maids. Grandma married when she was sixteen years old. Benjamin Marvin Bowman, my uncle, was born in Powder Springs, Georgia on November 22, 1934. He is now thirty-six years old and works with Lance Incorporated in Gadsden, Alabama where he lives at this time an , 1008 Bellevue Drive. He has red hair, is about five f eet ten inches tall and always is good natured. He was raised in Crossville and picked cotton and did chores on the f arm. His family did not make much money. Laura Grace Bowen was born June 27, 1927 in Crossville, Alabama. She is very hard featured, with dark brown hair and gray eyes. She is now forty-three years old and is employed at a blue jean factory. Her address is Star Route, Dawson, Alabama. As a child, she grew up on a farm and did chores to help her mother. She married when she was fourteen years old and began having children. Her children were also brought up in Crossville. Linda is one of her children. Linda Gail Rucks was born in DeKalb County, Crossville, Alabama on March 20, 1944 in my great grandmother's house. She is now twenty' six years old and is a housewife. She lives in Crossville on Route #2. Linda was brought up around the community she lives in now. She did jobs such as milking cows and picking cotton when she was younger and still does. Her family was of a low economic status. A PDF transcript exists for this recording. Please contact an archivist for access. Professor John Burrison founded the Atlanta Folklore Archive Project in 1967 at Georgia State University. He trained undergraduates and graduate students enrolled in his folklore curriculum to conduct oral history interviews. Students interviewed men, women, and children of various demographics in Georgia and across the southeast on crafts, storytelling, music, religion, rural life, and traditions. As archivists, we acknowledge our role as stewards of information, which places us inaposition to choose how individuals and organizations are represented and described in our archives. 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