Susan Victoria Lowe Interview with Marie Newton Lowe

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If you believe you are the copyright holder of any of the content published in this collection and do not want it publicly available, please contact the Kenan Research Center at the Atlanta History Center at 404-814-4040 or reference@atlantahistorycenter.com. In this recording Susan Victoria Lowe interviews her mother Maria Newton Lowe about her childhood in Cobb County, Georgia, near Kennesaw mountain. Some of the audio is fuzzy and skips. Maria Lowe starts with an explanation of how they preserved fruits and vegetables and meat through canning, salting, and smoking. At 7:45 she notes that a Black woman (note: who she calls colored) did her familys washing. She said her father grew vegetables commonly grown in North Georgia, such as beans, peas, corn, okre, tomatoes, squash, carrots, potatoes, sweet potatoes, as well as common fruits such as cantaloup, watermelon, peaches, apples, pears, plums, and strawberries. At 9:58 Lowe says her father planted early in the season based on when the soil was warm and dry, but he planted beans on Good Friday. In addition, he raised pigs, hogs, and chicken. Her mother baked bread and they had a cow for milk and butter, which they sometimes sold. At 14:00 Lowe talks about games she played as a child, such as Townball, Red Rover, Hide and Seek, and Annie Over, noting that there were only four children in her neighborhood. 17:30: In regards to superstition, Lowe says that she feels nervous when a black cat walks in front of her. Also, a Screech Owl screeching foretells a death in the family. At 21:30 she tells some folk stories and ghost stories. At 23:27 she tells a Native American legend about the origin of Lost Mountain's name. At 26:25 Lowe talks about home remedies, such as epsom salts as a cure-all, throwing a Sourwood stick to cure Croup, eating poke salad for Spring tonic, and drinking wine and sugar for bronchitis. Next at 32:35, Lowes repeats stories about the Civil War told by her grandmother, who was a child during the war. Starting at 38:26, she describes the house that she lived in her whole life, which sat on 40 acres, had three rooms, and explained that everyone who lived on the street was family. Her father worked at the McNeil Marble Company and sold vegetables from his truck garden. Lowe describes what happened after her father and neighbors died at 44:10, particularly the custom of sitting up at night with the body and holding funerals. Her father was a deacon at the local church, where they prayed once a month to hear visiting ministers from Mercer University preach. In August there were local Revivals. At the end of the recording at 50:40, Lowe talks about parties such as pound suppers in which each guest brought a pound of food, usually cake, to share. They also had ice cream suppers. Marie Newton Lowe (1919-2008) was born in Kennesaw, Georgia, and graduated from Marietta High. Afterward she attended business school and worked at the Cobb County welfare agency, then at Lockhead Martin. She married Jonah A. Lowe Jr. in 1946, and they had three children, Susan Victoria Moore (1948-1992), Anthony J. Lowe, and Gary N. Lowe. 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After some trouble with the mike Cit ,/8.S cracked and you had to hold it in just the right position to get it to record), I began the interview. ,lhe had already been giving me some informa.tion so I already had in mil1c{ ''ihat I wanted to ask her about. 'Ehough you think of these traditions as folklore, I did not until I took thil3 eourse. I gre", up in the house in ,,,hleh my mother lives and can remHrnber helping my grandfather in the fields. I also can remember helping him ,'lith hIs 'lOekly selHng trIp to Narietta on Saturday mornings. Al though I do not remember my grandmother ulIlldng butte.I', I do rememher helping a ne~t door neighbor churn and mold her buttor. She 'lOuld 8.hmys let me havo the scraps that wll;ere left, I vaguely remember a hog kUling but 1 have no problom in remembering the killing a chicken for dlnnor, mainly because I had to help kill and fix It. The stories \'ihich you say are folktales and logends I gre'l up believing as true. And although I never took any of the folk remedlel' we have talked about, I st111 remember the colored girl ,~ho took care of us talking about thom. 'l'he woman ,~ho raised her and her sinters after their mother dIed still used them and I,Hlle would have to bring her some of the thIngs she needed such HS the poke salad for the poke berry "lIne. So you can see that most of the folklore \-10 have been studying and that I eollected are not new to me. I still live ,,11 th my parents and younger brother in the house in "hich my mother I'/HS born, 'l'he house is loeated in, 'Cobb Count:)', beb~een NHrietta and KennesHW. It is Hbout n mile nnd D. he.lf from the entrHnce to Kennesaw j:,ountaln Battlefield Park, on Old I'Jountain Road. It is not ,!Uite Inside the Park area although part of the I'iountnin at one tim" bolonged to my great grandmother. As I said, my mother was born in the house in l1hich \'/0 nO\'I live. Shc \,ms born in April of 1919 and has two older sisters, Grace and Nell. 'rhe house, \'Thich I'Tas originally on a forty acre farm (it is nO\'1 only nine acres), 1'l8.S a traditional frame saddle-baG \'lith an ell addition. Besides the house tJl0rB was a smokohouse and a traditional transverse-crJ b barn. ('Phere vms also an outhouse which \'ms used until the late fifties.) My mother attended rUizabeth J<Jlomentry School and Marietta High. After high school, she attended u business school in I'jarie'ttu. She \lOrked for the county welfare agency and is presently employed at l,odcheed. She I'IUS married in 1946 to ;r. A. LO\>le, Jr. and in addition to myself and a younger brother she has lJn ol(ler son. ~[,hough she no long'er makes ;jelly and preserves or does cnnn1.ng, I can still remember the smell of the vegtables and fruits cooking \'Ihen she d1.d maim them. 1'he furniture in the house is contemporary except for a fe\1 pieces I'Thieh date back to the 1860's. One of these, a dresser, \'10.8 said to have b,wn used as 8. feeder for tho hornes of Sherman t s Army on their ' li;areh to the flea'. SUSAN: Sinon you. hud no <"leetrieity until 1946, ho,", WOl'H you able to IH'(H3CH'VO your food'? mlS. LOVII':: By efJnning. (Ny ,job \'IIW) to nteril:i.ze (the jm',,) \'Ihieh took up qUl.te ,'l bi. t of tlll1o~ And when We' "loro vnnn.ing boans wn hv.d to bo rnu'e that tho,Y wore t.he hont of the henna, no l>lHl npotn or auyth:i.ne;. 'Phon V10 pu.t thorn on nnd eooked in jUf3{; olenX' \'lutel' for about fifteen minutHo, fJ.l1ing l;ho ntorilizod ljax'u, theD put lid on but not too tight. And thrm put thom into IJ hig bailor I'Ihlch hO.d 0 lid and nlmoBt eaveY' tho j[l1'B wi th vlHtrn:,. fJlht3se had to boil f<Lr nlmoDt thrnn hour" \'Ihl.eh you ()1m ImHglno hO~1 hal; lei.loohon ~IH" b,Y lohat timo. Aflool' ~IO ~lOuld lonke them out of the hot \'futHr, we t:ightrmHd tho Lids Hnd nut them nr::i.do to eoo] HUfl hoping that thoy "auld koop. WHy:in tho night you \muld hoar n pop and you ~IfJllld know thLtt that ,jru.' hlJ/l nealHd. And mont of thn othel~ vogtublos "lorC' p:ropnrod in th(~ fHJlHn ~'1H.y nxeopt there :11'0 ttnlOG ",hon \'In ,just cookod tomtltoon llnd put them lnto 1,':lLe:t'11ized. ,jru:'[j" 1 forgot; co mont!on that nnytimo that you put vngtabln" into jar" I;hnt you nddnd you.t' nnJ,l; Ht tho ond of tho put it tn on top of tlw vogtoh.'lcn. And when you mndc) noup you oJ.\'1llY:'::; hnd to bn VOl''y HUI'O thl.l.t your tomatoofJ woro tho bout: hOOHUSO ono 111; (;]0 bnd loomnto could l'uIn n.11 of your nou!'. And lHCH;!; of the p:r.'e~.:(-~rving we dJ,d \'HU; ;junt probubl;y the Gamo rflHthod that Inos!; anyone unes now. You. p.repnl'(~ you:c f:r'lJ::i t uncI add fHl,gB,r f.lnd put it on to cook Q ~)OIne poople \'TOuld l.ul.d the Hugar Hnd let tom ntn.nd ovor night whieh they !;hough L IJw.de the p:ronervon bot \;01'.. Of eourl.JO HllOhfHlllJ ly probnbly hn.d their own methofl of doing' Lhingf':le And ,jelly \11:1n one of the hal.'denl; john 6 ,'),11, :l.n m,Y,:.estilllutJon, bHGf'l.USO you I d hovo to hang up you.t' fru.i t to drain Hnd thoro hilS bUBn many -ll time th:\ t tho ntl',ing would brook and thero \'''''-)1:) fru..tt pulp nnd t-lhntnoi; down in YOUJ' juice tJ.nd .you td hc'J.vo thn.t a.ll to do over {Ig'Din bosido:J clC'D.nJ.ne up thH mOSD e ~;U:;AN: \Ihn.!; did you "train the jul.ee through for the ,iel1y'? .l\J/V> " LOli!EJ: Ii'lour nacJ<, ,-,hieh you don't BOO nruch Hny IflOl'H. 'N1Ht'n. tho reHson jelly iB so hH,:ed to malu~ nOl'l. I think people havo to hovo a ChOOSH Gln th and mnl<e their (nnl ~jelly sackB. ~HJSAN: How di.d you preeerve tho meat? mVi, LOWEl: Wall, po)'k you had to kIll it on tho very oold""t day. BuL .you didn't cut H up until you weT" Surl) that all animal heat VlUIl out of :l.t, \,hlch you dIdn't hHve HDy prob].orn l'ottlly bOGHUna it Wttfl alvltJyH Bueh H eold. minora-ble d<'3_Y that: it didn't !;ake It very long toh" frozon instoad of ;j\wt the nnllJwJ. h,w.t gone, ;You,muld eu t up your mont 1;0 make I3lJ.UDHgO ou t of Hnd {(round i. t, soason it, 1e tit n,:o fJ. Ii.1;1;le bi!; and a 1'01'1 (lays in tor you ,muld oan ,you)' saU/wgo. By I;ha t you ,muld &,'0 uhoad W'> if you l'1(]ro cooking i. t and pour thn groHSf-) on top of 1 t and seal the ~j<'Jr l:ikn you did when you ",ore onnnint: v(~gt;ablcs<) 0 And tho othc)rmeut \'lhieh you call tho fnt back or strHuk of lOHn ond tho shoulders and hams \,/orH pnekod <JOHn into nalt tHld eovnr(~d throughly Hnd nl1o\'led to stay thorH Hbout Bi:x \,lOok8. rrhon you would Lako the sal t 0 .... ~ I meant tako the morit out of tho 8311;, \'rllf'.Ih the OXeCfJfl ~;lJlt of:f:' and at time:-j you l'Jould un(~ dJ.ffel'cnt curing agentB on it to give it moyho a littlo toot10r --- moko It a littlo tootio)'. 'Pharo were timon wll(w I \<lHB 81J1Hl1 thv.t viC wo!'c-? o.b10 to bu tchor our own beof hocauso wo had vHry eold wintorn. And 'Vie had thin oc:reenod in pln~ch which VI" didn f 1; havo to 'lorry about Oll,y allinlfl1s nlipping in and sl;enU.n{',' it. And '10 '1ould hong the mont up i'UHl tnke our nteuku B.nd thingn and out it Eta 1'1e nooded it. Bu.t this waHH't nlwH,yn too good boeaur.:c H lot of timfH3 you would hllVH rainy 1'Icathn:c llnd you id lOHO part of youX' moat beon.unH i.t o..lwo.yn turnod \-/arm. But of eourGO baek 1.n thono dnys ,YOll nharod evory thIng with your nelrsllbor \"hoev(-,r ,.'W hoI pIng you do y'OlU:' butchoring e;ot n certain nnlount. And then mn.,ybo ;Y-0u 'd go give nome body 0180 in -th.e noighbc)"[-hood nome Hnd tho!; way ,you <11dn' t have too mueh if you d.id 10no 1. t mJSAN: DId you evol' IJIIJoko /lny of tho Jllea t ill the nmok"ho\we'l I<H~). LO\'Jli~: No, ou.t' nl'Jloko hOUbO ,,,n.sntt made for that purpo8o. ~)USAN: 'l'}wu you junt stored tho mont tn it'? fmDAN: \'Ihat did you do ,'lith the feet and stuff of the hog that you h:vl left? 1~1HS& L()\~li~: PrOBGmeat or J.iver pudding I believe BOHlO people C{lll it" SU~)AN: Did you ever make chit' linGY NIW. LO\1I': No we ahlllys gave th",,, to the eolored wonllln thaI; clid our mwhi.ng. fJUDAN: What kind of vegtables did youX' fatber grot' on hi" farm? I\HW~ LOW]I:: All vegtnbles thnt is knCHm in North Georgin, "Thieh 1n beHlw and pOl:W, corn, okrt1alld tomD,'l;oos, squash, {lome times ho \'lOuJd have cnrrots,IJ':Ish potaton8, Bt180t potutoes whieh is commonl.y knovIYt HB ytlmB. --~ :r hope thai; in eonB.ld(-:lrod Il vogtllble. And tbe fruits ho allw.y,; took prIde in I'1IJB his eantaloupeu and \'Ifltermellonn. He hud somo pOB.chen, apploEl tmd peill's, fow plum treeg Bud nl~w.ys a veX',Y good otrllwberX',Y pat;eh tlhieh 1 aIwayu eornpetod with tlhethor or not I \lOuId get to keep tho otrawborri<lB oX' whe,thor he ,'/OuId seU '''m. And I would gather on halveo, l'lhoi.ch is 1'81J.1 tough to fJtnud. on your hen.d Hnd gathor stJ'D.wbel'rJ.on .. SUSAN: \'Ibn t do you mONt s tHnd on your hend and gather nh'/HrboX'.doo? Ims. j,OI'IE:: 'I'hat'o juot the' tmy you 1'011. "hen you'd bont OVOl' "0 long to try to pick out tho ntrlH'berries Hnd not got the bad onon or the o,wo that tlllsn't quite rIpe. A :U.t tIe qUI).rt baaket sure did look mighty big, SUDAN: Did youX' fathor plant by the ,dgnn? .Lt, His Important thing '"8.n 'UlfJt the ground >IIum' 1. too tlOt oX' too cold, But thore io one thing he 1l.1wHyn did oX' ]'IImt,,,l to do, and I thin)< rOHIIy thllt till" to try to bo rcw.I oHrly. h" l:i.knd to pl/mt bewn" on Good ji'rlday. SUSAN: (Did your I'll thor "vel' pIIH! 1. o.nyth lng on) SI;, Po.tdck' 0 Dlly'! r,'j}~n" LO\'lJ!:: l'ri} n<'>t sure ~ r;UEJAN: Whl:l't did your father :cuieo bon.idoB pign Bnd hogn'? NilS .. IlOWE: Ho hud his own ehiekons nnd \'10 only had fx':iod chiekon during tho 8l11nmo:r lJIonthr;" .And. nr~ soon t1.3 tho ehiekenn got t{~l btg \'1011 of COUI'SO ntl'turalJ.,y they ~mBn' t fried. And:1. 1. wllIm' t untIl 1946 tba 1. tie ever bought H ohi eken from tho mllrk" t, I VOl'Y of ton remember having ehlekGn for breakftJ.Dt, alno T :forgot to ttd.l you v!O had oteak for breakfast, \'Ihieh vlIl.on't t,,oe:ood Vlhon you didn't eare for broald'llst to feel l:i.ke you V1IW \""sting that goed food at'that time of day. fJlJSAN: Why did you only hHve chink-enr: in the nutJnnoX'? lmn. I,O\1m: 1'leU aB I'vn ,juBt told you Vie didn't buy it ft'om ti", mat'kot and. you couldn't raise 11tt1o ehieJ<enn in tho eountry in tho vl:i.ntor tin'" vlhon you didn't have oleet.l'i,eity .. ~.mSAN: Hm'l nbout your broad, did you mnl<:e you.r own bl'(~ad'? HH~) .. TlO\'lE: I:.(y mother did probably whon I ~'lHn very mnall, but I don't :I'.'omornbor hox' ever bakJrlg' b:t'oD.d unloaD it won nomothJng very spceinJ. nho "lH.nt(H1 to tryout" mnlAN: What about your m:ilk and butter? r,a(~;,.. LO\'IEi: Wo had oUX' ONn cow and the mill<. ll.nd butte:r \'lan 111l'lllyn u problom, ,no it soomed. It took so loug to bo ablo to get the milk to turn and to churn whIch u8u.o.l1y took an hour or mOl'(!e SUSAN: \1hat kind of churn did you have? By that I me~an VlIl" 1 t wood or cOl'mnlc? f.iUGAN: Did you havn yopr Oim special butter mold with your O\m notJ.l on It? NRS o LO\m:: I don I t .kHe)\'1 if it Vlun HpHeil:11~ It had II rwnl on :i. t Hnd I cnn a.l"m.yn remomboJ' that rny mother hon.pnd if; up hoeaune dtJ.ddy alway::: oold hiG buttHI' and nhe didn't wnnt anyone to think thn-t Lhoy wnrontt gotting a full pound. of butto1' 0 ~-3LJf)AN: Did you Hvo:r p 1ny uny gmnoD like townbnll '? Iin.;-;. LO\n~: Yen.. rpho. t ",an very nany beCfH.l.fJ(-1 thorn WHI'O only four of un hI 1;}x~ neighborhood Hnd that waD quito H tcam~~,~ tHO on (w.ch Bide", sm;/d\j: ltJOI'O thoro any rontrietions to tho numhor on (~Hch stde'? !'im;. LO\'lJ<:: 110.11. I don't knew. We novor did hnve a fulJ Le"'" I'm quito sure, whenover \'10 hn<l nomeone 0180 to play vlith UH" ~;US;\N: HoVi did you play i.t? fl]Wi+ LOWT~: \10.1.1, :l.t's 11 1Jtt10 nim.:i.lnl' to lUHJoball oxoopt tho bl:111 you WUf-} 11h10 to notch" \'/0 didn't know \'llw.t glovcn "Ian bnol< in those dnyH. And. 'UI01'0 have boon ttmoG when \'10 plHyod wi-th u ntring bllllo And:if wo wo:re Junky someone hrHl put lJ. pi.(-H~O of maybo pineo of old :rubbnr innor tubo Hnd wrn.pped ntri.ngs around it unUI it Vlnn 13h/.lPO(1 1.. J'.I{() /.l bllLI. And t;hin didn'l; hurt yonr hand. And \-,hon you tri(-)(] to ge t Gomcono out, Binee you didn' t hlJ,v(~ {lnyone~'I don't know vlhothor it 1111S 11 rule or not, but that'n tho 1<ay 1<0 had to play it.you had to ;junt throvi the bal]. and hi.t 'om Bnd If it t01whod any part of thoi.r eloth:i.ng they \'Tas connidol~ed. out. fJUSAN: \'Ihat did you uso for n bnt'? IVIH.;.i~ LO\n~: Oh, we worn lucky in thrlt.. i';ly older Elif:d;o:c had \'TOn fl, bl1uebv.l1 bat and :;ho naturaLl.y lot us have it to pIny vii tho SUSAN: Arc the1'0 any other gUIHOB you romemhc,n' td.Hying? 1I'lRS. JiHoJHi: \'Jell, when 'NO \'lero at nehool \10 played red-rove:r which tll \'lHyn tor.rol':i.f:l.Hd me beoause you have to hold. hnnun with eueh one.. You made a long line and whoevor WHn red-l'Ove:l' \'Tou.ld. nome tea:d.ng over and I <'3.1\'lHYD ,just knrH'1 that It going 1;0 broak my al'ln. And I tMilk I VIIlS al1V/lyn piokod to bo t!w ono to run through boolIUGO thoy lmovi thlIt I oouldn' 10 hold tho othor ono In h,md",,- thlIt I I d tu:r.'n 10nH in f,wr. r,lur::.d; have heen becauno thoy "H)1'O all nIota biggoX' th{ln I "Inn is 't.hH ron.f}OJl ] \'iaD so frlgh toned. Ono of my fV.VOl'.ito gntUHs ''faD a form of:' hide and fjnoko You'd kick the ean aod thon all ,"ould go Hnd hIdo unt:il nomeono, trw one vlho had ld.nk:nd the el1n, "nw ablo to go Hnd find thOlUo And thon anothe:c one \>H1S nnti=oVtH'& 'l'hnt W'(:1.0 throwing tho ball OVOl' the hOllao baok ond forth and bwi.ng nblo to nil teh i 1;. I guonD if you naught it that meant your SJdH Hon@ ~)U~;AN: Did you havo any certain Dllperf:lti tionB that you believed in'? Nns. J,O\'IIi:: Hen, I Id.l1llyfl unti.l this dlly I oan'1; fltlInd a blnek oat to ,mlk out in front of mo, lihy, I don't kn,,,,, unlosn it \1an ju:Jt; inbred in mo from hHar:i.ng hordblo n to,.i08 aboH 1; blaok 011 tn. Ono~ I guenn I'll n.l\'luYH believe :in In Lho nereoeh 0l'11<) rilHyho its becnuDo .it hnrJ r,.iueh a hOl'X'iblo t JiloHnf'ul nound& ,But the fItory nl\'layn l'm.B .if 1t hollered b).opc.bY,YOIU' honDO D. long timo t.hat thore "\'1ould be H dnath in the f'llmi.1Y$ So l1o.tu:rally' we \'lOu1d 11.11 try to bo f3uro that tho poor old neroeeh owl d.idn I t succeed in hollerinrr. SUSAN: If> there Hny certain tJ.me of the yenr hc~ WHn nuppofw to holloJ''? I,m;:) 0 LOWE:: Vlol1(I only I'omomber) It in tho 8ummertimo.. It uould hH,VO heon that he hollcH'cd in the \'Jinte~(' hut tho houno \'lllS closed up so you eouldn1t hoar it. Bu.t I-;:onw of the J'(nnediof.l to n top him l'UJ,H' to t.io kno1;g in the shootn ~Ihieh mado it very hard on my mothnr nomo >/Ilnh dlly bnomHlo nhe would hHve 1;0 get nIl the knotn out of 1;he Bheots. 11'h1n "nw HUppOSO to hurt hi!;; lop,' Hnd mllke hJm loave whon you got it tight onouc;h" And nnothor ono l'lDJJ to tnke II hrd.l" pin lind put 1t into lomp eh:i.rnney6' And un noon llG it got hot tho scroech owl would Htop hollox':.i.ng but nine timon out of ton you had (j, broke lOJnp chinmoy beforo tho sCl'ooeh owl atoppod. But ;lnY"la;y the Bummer bofore my gr:HHlmother died lom hud J'elativos visi tint': from }i1loridn Hnd it Boomed D.n if "10 spent u.ll that nurOnlcr worry-:i.ng, tryi.ng to f:tnd halr pinn to put :tn tho 11J:H1po Jl'ortunntel;)' my Hunt nnd. mother had long hail' no "0 kept <'obhing them of their hair pinn. And. my mother would fun'.l every do.y that ShB had to do tho laundry bocnuHe of' tho knotn 1'l8 put i.n 'UHJ nhoetB e But eomo Oeto))()r ~re lont our grll.ndmothor Ht tho a(';o of fl3. no lll,turnl] y from n ell i Idhood 1Il0lr10r.y I' va 111wnyfJ berm DUperl3 ti tOUB of nerooeh ()\oTIs .. SUSAN: HO~'l about turn.inc,' Hround nnd naming back t'Thon Y'ou've forgotten nomoth:ing'0 Doen tlw I; mean IJny thing'? Mlf3. Lo\;I-): \'101.1, i1; probably doos )momwo t:.l1J. this day I go out of my WHy 1;0 emno baol:( :en.thor thtll1 tUl'H around H.nd como ntI'l:d{t,ht hack o I th:i.nk thoro is ;1 I it: 1;] 0 old naying thH t it' you mako a el'O'.lIJ HlHrk that .it I " ,mppO(lO to b:t'Ollk Hill I; nupeX':~t:ition oX' whntovor you t'wrl!; to call it, no you wunt have bad luck" Au fur uo I l<l1ow I hnvon't "'lor red.lly had bad luok from havIng ];0 ];Ul'n haok, bul; il;'" juot l,wm(:::-1Jhi.nr;, maybe it In jlu::;1; not l'ot:ronting :in uhw.d of goln{~ J'orwo:cd in ronlly what the phobea in", S{k~AN: Do Y'Ol.! JOHHI any legondn ()l' folk ntor.ion you.x' lIlotheI' IIltJ.;y have-} told you? I>1HS .. LO'df'] ~ Oh yes, nhe Han VOl'y good tlt intHX'tn.:i.nin[': nno frightoning us to donth oveX' ghont that \'TIlt> HU.PPOSH :not 1;0 have been t06 ful' f:com our homo" A/OJ 13ho t011B it, over on Old ~)tileBburo l'OIHl -cherH rIng n, ntroFlm o:f '\'TiltHI' that <u'oBued the roud", I ClJ,n l'omelllbe:r' the vttJ.tOl' and T can remomber the deep t>loodnl> And I can also l'cmOmh(-'H' beihG frightoned to denth OVOl'y t.i.lue \'10 pnnncd by. J3uL of COU1~BH l1.m,r<iJhero :in no nt.rOHUl of \'lHtOl' thore, its all been pu.t und.er gl'ounCl. nnd por:'oteetHd" And thero's no longH:r' a swamp. }Jut her story goes thnt quite often :JOTO(HH18 VTould. sec a lHdy dl'OHSed in whito d.reng walking bo01do the 1'Ol1d. And \"hen they got to that npot nhe VTould d1supp<JHr. And <Jv<Jn on<J po,'non too], out his bugg,y Ifh:i.p to GInsh at the spot and ho .jtu::"t hit thin nil'. And bont 1: romembe:r, :r 'm rH~ver quI to sure l;hough, maybe she NLH] ~just tel1J.ng that part to frighton Uf:J, eha vowed that sho UEI.'" tho ghOD t ono tJ.me naming bnek from ehul'eh.. And they Lholl{';h til; N(1H someono in tho neighbo:rhood that might have been \'lllllcing homo but theI'o roally Wn811't Hny hou.so ovor in that Hoction. lind they wore g'oinu: to ntop and p:i.ek her up but whon th<Jy got UWI'O, thor<J \<[w no Indy. .lJy tho Hmo nh<J got to j;hat point HO Horo up locking all tho doors hccllll:w aftoI' nIl lie didn't live to" far from I,judd,Y li\Jrkn, of! the Or(nl flioG Q ~3USAN: Do you know who the "lady in ",hi to" t'1HB nu.ppo::;e to bH? r:'WJ. !,(MB;: No. It probably had Bo"'eono thn.t It "I'm ouppo"" to r"pr"fJen!; bu.t I fJUSAN: Cun ;yotJ. romom bOl' Hny morH Stor.i.ou? flms. LOWli~: Oh y08, I ean t(~ll you hO\'1 Lont ~'JountHln e:ot ita nmne, tho mountain you can Hoe very good "lhen you n,:re on top of J(('>'llnoslHI I,jountnln. 'Illwro WHn nn Ind.i)Jll b:c{.l,VO t'Jho HOB in love \'lith f;hiG Indian p:rineoHs. And her fathoX' didn I t approve of the Indian bl'/l.ve. c;o he d()(::i.ded that h" I d prohnbly';'-- ben t thing to do >/LW to "ond hIm out i.o i.ry i.o seo h(lI'/ bravo he \'las, at loast that 'w.s I"hat he told hin d:1UghtCH'0c And he wen t; in tho diroetion of \'Jhnt tolO know HB LOB t Mount;ain~ And !;lw prineess eould soe tho mountlJ:i.n lJ.nd nhe l'/1lIted and "lIl.tehed for him foX' da;yn Hnd dtl.yn, and. he never returned. So they B1W nhe t'1()uld BLand upon thin rook on the:) 1Jlountnin and looR lJ.erOIJI:1 and any "10st, lont"(l And that'n how my grand... mothor told me Lout r'iOufd;nin got its namc$ She n1no told DIn that thorn ~'HU~ nuppone to hn.ve bncm an Ind:I.nn v,Il1ngo ou t in fro)) t of our homoi. ",h:1oh .i.n righ t at the foot of I{Hnno[JfJ,W Fioun tldn" And whon t'l8 "lOre children He ver.y orton t.l'iHd to bo on hand evo:rytime thE} field t'/H8 pl0\'l(}(l, hoping thn.t we would find nome of iho Indi.nn t:roaSUl'08 thrd; 'I'laS nuppoHo to hHve boon buried. I'lB at that time warm t t thinlci.ng of 0.11 tho Ci.vil I'tar relios thnt peoplo try i.o eolloot no\'/. We ,,/(,",'0 thinking of finding Vlhat thc In<1inns m:l.ght havo hid. SUSAN: Are thC.H'C l)ny homo romodloB your mothor lV30d? HH:;. LOWI~: Oh yon, pl'obtlbly no. F:pnorn gnlt Will> untwlly good for ;jUBt ahout nn,yl;hing. And th,," L'J fJomething thll" quit" H f,m dooto1'l3 1'"oommend thi.s day IJnd t1mo for b1'uin"rJ and anythinr; that mir;h" be in fee ted to ba.th it in the DIlU Ho.t"r. AlBa, \'Thieh was 0, vory bad doGO oJ' JnHdJ.c:lno, we had to toko 1.1; ente:enD.l1y~= drink n glnnn. full 0 l:' 1'111. tel' Hi th tHO telJnpoons full opDom naII;". And if yon think thu10 '0 H bad dose of mod:i.cino, I cnn grant you that ,it '<fUB. fH1H didn I t go too much for Cnl.IJtor oil, in fn.et I don It evnr rOlHembor her giving it to mo !ilo:eo thon maybe OlleO (re twicG. Although my d~Hldy alwayn thought nho should g'ive un B. daDe of 0[11]1;01' oil the f'lrnt time \'18 had. n oold. But Ghe didn't li.ke it horHelf so Bho didn't enforco i.t on her family. Bot I gr',,,,, up Vii th tho ntory of a romedy that was upplioiJ to mo and :i.t \'llHl alwnys n fmnl1y .jol{'{~. When I \'Inn very mnall ltd hHve el~oup ()very vdntor Hnd I almont choko to dOHth. And nothing it Domned eould provent :i. t or i>oully hHlp :i.-L 9 f)omoo:no rocommended to Illy o_Hdd,y to got a nourwood ntiek Uw.t \-1WJ longox' thoo I lias Hnd J)10HSUrO it. Aod thon l;'l.lm .i. t up and l;hrow it up in tho loft of 1;1)(-) houno "lhleh :i.n commonly kn(H'Hl l::l.B the HI; tie todo.y. AnY'fu-1Y tho ntol',Y goon my doddy did thin aod thoy Hl.1 Inughod, thlnldng it Hun !,';oing to bo n ;joko, but I :ceoove!'od from my eroup and clidn 1 t hnve it; nn;y 11101'Oe An tho yonr:'J went by ho WHS .,orJd.ng .ri th \;Iii s mHn that kopt oomplLdnio{', aboul; hin boy hoving "rOUJl. 'fluid Mdn I t Boom liJm I1lW!;hing thoy did oould help him.' 'so daddy langhed Hnd told him the story of tlw flour~lOod stick, .iust doihgU 011 in fun. But tho mnn didn't think it l'IIlS flO funny. Ifo foIl for the ntor,y and innistod that Illy daddy bring him H BOtU~Nood Btick a NOrl J can :t'nll1embox' thiH boenulJo dnd.dy hrtd qUito II tIlllo trying to find a nourw()od 101'00. ]]ul; I", hnd to tllko il; on Bnd GIJ.l'ry it to Uri" mun or he'd nov(n~ 10ft h:im ulonoo .Anywny his Llttlo boy roeov(H'od and didn't havo G_I'OUp any mol'O 0) SUSAN: Whnt did Y'ou tnk(~ in tho npringtimo :for a npl'ing' tonio? I;1H~) .LO\'JE: \\'011, 1 ""m3 one of the luek,y,o!lHn, I d:idn 't eV0r have to takc calamine llnd molHGsHI'J or whateve:r i.t \UIH that they gllYH. II'lY IJl0ther didn't go f().l~ that-eo But; I do romembe:c that my grandmother a:hm.yn \'18.nted to hnvo poko Balnd overy spring.. She I:w.id i.t t1'ould keep her from being siek during the your und mEl.leo he:.r: henlthy. I nnVlH' 1'Iou1d Oil Lit, III though :r though I; my grandmothor 1'Ian ald'u1 nmart. :r eould rmnnmhor thor:w rod borrios in the fall of the yoar that looked like;.'p0ison~ And \-lhen tho greons W1U: cooking they smcJ.lfHl no mueh like nOnlf.d;hing that NUB poiHo:n thv.t I nevor did dure out Hny of 'mll eo ~.)USAN: \vhat did you H.ne 1.'o:r. a cough? Nn~;. I'()\1El: \'loll, HB T f:.w::i..d I didn't have ex-oun an.}' more" An I "TnG about ni.x yearn old,I developed bl'onehltil1 \'Thioh \,/lln oonnlderod ohronlo by'onohlL:iB and loft mo t1ith 1:1 bt"Jd cough.. And the ui3unl ."l:'cmodi.olJ or pattml lrHJd.ieinon or perfw:l'iptionn that the doctors gavo mo didn t t do too mueh good o And grrmdmn, sugg<:,ntod that J use \'lhinkey and. nUg'l1I'.. \'lel1 tha t wan too nickcning, I oou1 dn' t ovcr tt':lke ito I nll'/IJ.yn up-ohuoked Hhleh probnbly Han the hOB t thine: for me IlnY\'IllY. Bu!; thrm thin tmelo mHcJ.e hiG own ~line.. He didi t for Gomfllufumion at the chureh n,nd ho ul\'TaYfJ made nnoug'11 for hinIHolf nud enough to soak the frui,tcak(-)fj in. And also he brought 11. spoeilll bottle that I'IUG oonBidorod my 1Il0rUolne for tho \,lnt')J'. And H little hIt ~d th mlgur addod Hlwayn ntoPPHcl my cou{;h.. And I had UJl OId.Cl' siot('H' \'rho D,l.\'1rl,yn v01'lod that I oou{','hod ;jus \ to (':0 t tho wino. SUSAN: Go:ing bH.ck to tho nto:t'ioH Hl1d all, do you rmnmnbor r:1.ny about the Civil Hnr'? ~'IW.j. LOWE;: Oh ye:J. Ny {SJ'tJndmothoJ' \'ill!:} D. very mnalJ. chi.ld during the Civil \'Jo.r" And of couJ:fJe hnl' luemol'Y \'HH3 vory vivid. ninen it ':nH1 rnwh H trrl.C;:i.c time. And w; I lik:od. to Lin"t(":Hl to i.t, nhc ,-wn alwnyc vrilLing to tell me SODlO of the ntOl':J.(HJ v.bout it. Arld s:lnce \'10 live J'ight in the middle of the btlttl(~fiold, J vlun V01'Y much intoruntod. Bnc]{ of our home J~3 tho broastl,rorkn \'1h teh my f'tl"!;fH)l' n'lwrWf> tried to preaerve and no!; let bo plrnrnd up Of' anything Liko " loL of people <lid. Hut thin broaabwr!uJ I11W buD t by tho Hoboln. And vlhen thoy had to I'oLroat Lh" Iinion soldiers OLll"ne in nnd used the nelllo brorlot'.'lorks fI And ttL! thoy \'lCHlt on up the mountain tho story nh" told 18 H li!;tlo diffo:('on1; frolll iho ono 1;ha1; the hi"Lodlm" tell. Hut ah" saId right Ht; thB gap of the mountaln tho Yankcen \'Tore coming up Hnd the HHboln \11JB out -0 IfJ ammuni.tjon~ ~)o thoy ntnrt(1d. rolling rOGks down nnd that WF..y they killed qUito a f"w of the noldi."rn, Hut thi" in the ntoty thll} for over at Cheath,u" IlLll and I've hnd to bite my tongu" H mHny a time \'Ihen it \'w" hein!': told b'Hmu[Je :r felt 1i.l<o my r;I'u:ndmothor l'lHf': more D.eeurato thHn thoy \'lfH'O. And. one thinr,- that more 01' lon;; proved 1 t HaD -this ol.d. fellef' come btl.ok to virdt tho bn.ttlegl'ound ",hon I l'H'l.S vo;ry, very snwIl ehi.ld, And he ntood and lookod up tOl'lIll'cl tbe moun I.ain anel nhook hi.n fi tn llnd talked of tho DO 0 ld no~~nnd~fJos thtJ. t roll eel :rockn <JOW1 on tom D.nd lcillod no matl;'l!> SOIllH of hin hnnt fl'iendn wero hit by thllj very livo :wnnun:i. tJon" ;HJ;;AN: Can you romombcJ' vny otho:r.' sto:'t'len? HRS. LO\I/F:: \'loll, (lh, T bolieve one l'IH~} thnt my grandfather Fl.ftor h<:1 g:r'Ol'l up and "w.rrIed and movod out to tho property which i.n right I1m'onn tho road from oul' hom". he found thin old nlwJ.()toll on top of nomo roolm. And my futher'n father vinitod quito of ton und ho wan verry mueh of (-'I 1'0 bel bnoauBo he lout hi::: frd;her during iJ.1o Ci.vil \'Illr, And ho always 'loved 1.0 try to get all the "torioo he eould abont the hattIe of Knnn('HJlHl i'ilou.ntain.. So he goen haek and tolls thi:::> old f.'l~iend of hin, vlbo \'fun a li.ttlo bit; oIdor and did fight dudng trw Civil \'Iar. and told him about the body "I! that my grondfather had found or ruther tho old "1,,,loton, And there \rlW nomething, I don't I'olIlombo:r. What, thnt irIen1;if:i.n(l it llB lwin{F, II Ynnkec nolcU"or. And this old 1'0110\'1 ,wj.d I \'IeII, I think I'm tlw porson that might hovo put that body, "h1eh J1f) found. lJ.S a skeleton, on that .roek9 I Bocaune he rernembo:eod Doming Heros:;) a woundod Bold.i..o.r that wanted some ,'mter and ho 8tdd he knew th;:J,t he couldn It livo DO he put him upon this rock Hud gave him hin Gnn'f;ec)u tUHl thon ",ent on ::d)()ut hin fiehting. And he Gays he'n quito Hu.ro that that m:i.ght hD.ve been tho sarno ouo ho(wul~O tho storioG worn too nim:ilur :not to have bCH1no SUSAN: Hotl mueh land did ,your father ol'i.g:i.nal:ty (o\,m)? SUSAN: How many rooma did the hom,e (01.'1g1no1'l y have)? ;lHS, L()Wl~:: rphroo room::;. f:lUSAN: How long hnve you 11vod in thjJ~ houae? !HU;. LO\1JoJ: If I toJ.1 that it Hill give my age ""Jay but I'J.I e:o ahead Ilnd be truthful. fifty .YHllrl1" .I wan bo:rou :in ths houao nnd hnvo never l.ivod D,nywhere 0180. And at orlP.. timo all the:'people on thin rOlH] "llJB rolated. If f;hoy ,.!oron't relntnd to cHeh othoJ', trley l'lf)ro to ono member of tho fnlldly. By the, t I moan, HCX'OBf:> from our home \'l8..f" my grandparon ts' home, above un my only aunt lived and next to thom I,as {J, sister and {J, nieee of my grandmothor' and her brother. And then on our side of the road ,wr: a brother to my only aunt's husband. At the end of our 1'01'1- road instnad of a rO'/I becHllSe it Hna qui te a m:Lle or more in distanco- l,raJ] U oousln. And thin ''1<':1.S nl\'laYs an intoresting story because he "U18 my mother's cousin and his 'dfe ~las my father's cousin, that \my ~IO off' spring eonsidered that Vic Vlere practieally, instead of maybe a third eousin" "e HaS ;jUB t about II second eousin b,Y being doubled. But then people began dying, movIng mm.y or fJelling their prolJeJrty and at this jlrofJent time ,"e are the only family exeept this eousin that lived at ~he end of the road, their daughter and her hUfJband live in that home. If I'm not mistaken, she has never lived "nyI1hel'e else but in that houne, Nhich makes it right unusual when most everyone you'vebllkod to durinf~ this genol'ation havn lived all ovnr tho United States and moved "n,Y number of times. ~mSAN: You mentioned ""hilo ago that your fathor sold the butter' that your mother made. What else did hn sell? flJHS. LOi'JE: Oh, he had ",hat if) considorod a trunk garden. ~lhat I G vegtablea thHt he Nould either tako around to different eUfJtomnrs or' he "ould 8ell it at tho ntore if he didn't solI it all on hin route. Hut this war.: extra aetivity for him beeau8e hn ~lOrked at lo'IeNoil Narble Conljmny until he lms: fJeventy yearn old beforn he retired. And he did his fll.l'ming early in the mornIng and in the afternoon and \1e didn't ahmys.'.have daylight; so.ving time at that time. I ean remember 11hnn he be bringing up hifJ vegtables after i.t ~IIlS already dark. And my mothor said 'no ~lOnder you had. to piek 11hat he gathered after 11<0 had gathered i L ' He had one old mule that ~I1lS part of the family, that \'las an fai t:hful a.s tho day \'11lfJ long. Of eourfJe h., had had other mules before that but thin is the one he had the longest. And after this mule died. he didn't snem to huve allY heort to do any more furmi.ne, of course this \oms ufter ho v/Lw nbou t eighty ,yoars old. SUSAN: Vlhen 10ur fathor died did you. stay up all night ~lith the bod,Y? 1m3. LOWE:: No, he 1'IIll: taken to a funeral home and Imsn 'I; brought blJ.elc to the home. llu t quI te often poop] e I1IH'e brough t bad' to their homes. And friends ond neighbors and relatives formed the eustom of seHing up all nigh I; I'ri th the body, Vlhieh usually turned out to be a good time of visiting and they'd all quite often forget the poor ereaturo that ~nl!J dead. But ~Ie have been fortunato i.n our family that wo have tlw funeral homes that we can tvJ{O tlw body thoro and our friends cun go Hnd soe t em and you. don.' 1; have to remember the casket in yOUX' home., I guess tflY [!,'l'nndmotho:r \W,S the only perGon in our family that ~Iflro brought bB.ck home and she ~lHS carriod to my aunt'" Nho lived next door. And fox' H long, long time I didn't \mnt to visit lily aunt because I could see t:lwt horrible canlcet in my aunt's living room. And my mother ~llW very happy \'lhen the funeral homes stal'tod having tho funeral" in their chap<,ls. She came home from one ono day and Baid ' 1'Iell thank goodnet;s I don't ha.ve to have my funeral In the ehureh.' and I said who,t do you moan. She said, I f,l:hv.t ' s the 1;/ay I ,,'ant my funoral to be.' raw SB.yS, I (l'hat until this da,V, even though they have built a n",,/ church, I ean flee your grandmothor'fl cHflket at the front of the ehurch and I don' t ~",nt nny of you to hnve to worry about tho. t ~Ihcn I die.' And I don't supposo flho flaid anyth Ing to anyone elso in thc fam:Lly bccnuse no one Imcw about it untIl hCI' doath "nd I told 'em ~lhat she had said. So -thore i'fnH no hesitancy ut u.ll about whore my mother's funel'fl.l '-1Ould bo vlhHn thc family found out lwr wishes, SUSAN: (Going back to church), dId you mcot more than onec a month? liJH3. I,mlfi:: No, ~lhen I was a chIld \'Il' only had oneH a month at our ebureh. \/hen I''''was very, very small child \'10 d.idn't have 11 regular minister for H period of timo. hy dadd.Y."\'1aB ono of tho deacons and ho belIeved in hUVing an eduoatod miniBter. He \'Iould alNayfl tell the ]looplo thut UlCy \'/Il.nted U doe tor 11bo hnd had traIning nnd. bo felt like that it ~ras just as important to havo a mInistor ~Iho had gone to sehool an it vms to have a doctor Hho ~ILlS edueated. So h" d,,,vouted hiB time B,nu -transporti.ng student ministers from 1'lo1'co1' wllich is at hacon, Georr,1.n" 'J'hs,V \wuld rIde thc traIn or bus to i'ladet ta and h,,' d pink 'om up ,md Imop I t"" in our homc ovor the 110ekend and would tako tbcm baek to theI.l' transpox'tation ,on ';unday. Of eourse thcro' d. bo a fmq oths1' fanlilioB thllt mIght havo them in, but it lw,n all-illyI' daddy's responsi bIli ty to get thom baek and forth to thcil' tran8portation. And vrhEm \1C did havo church, ~'" bad it on i,,,tul'day night also nnd then thc fol.1o\'ling Sunday morning. But lntor yca.l'B tbo cbureh had a minIstcl' that they folt liko they could pay for, that had his own ''fork, Sometimes he \'llJ.B a farmer or enrpentor 01" something. And they would have a visiting minister , (r;:/lJ /1' () in ,do:i:ng >fha t they called protracted meetin'. I never could understand qUite hOl'l it got that name. But I remember often asking Vlhy it '18.8n' t called a revival. But any,my that 1'lll.(] ah'ays theisecond l1eek in August 11hen the weather waG the hottest, of course the Vlatermellons lVere just the best. ,lind that 110uld be a real week of the poor \'lomen having to 'IOrk because each one of 'elll had to entertain the visiting minister and oook and fix. .And I often 110ndered ho1'l they got it done and. got to church, too. But they did it cvery lIlorning and evcry nie;ht for that 1'Ieek, plUS having other visitors in and visi ting other people during the 11eek. I often thought that it was quite a social event uS Hell as a revivul. SUSAN: Speaking of social events, >fhat kind of parties did you have? NRS. LOWg: Hell the one I think stands out the most in my menlCiry \1a8 11hat 11e called a pound supper. That >fay it >fasn' t too hard for any,'one person to do the entertaining because you really brought your own refreshments. ga,ch guest brought a pound of food, and you can imagine all the different varieties of food tha,t you Bot. Once in mlhile you >fere luc!<y enough that somebody brought some slllld>fiches and fruit. But usually it I'IaD cukes, cakes and cakes, each girl trying to out do the other one. But of course if you like cake that >faS pretty good and it >fas certainly lIlore than a pound. And then \1e'd have ice cream suppers. And you'd have to borrol1 each ", others freezer and I kno\1 that 1'10 were very unlucky at one time. Hhen >fe got our freezer back I'le had part of someone elses freezer and >fe \1aS never able to make ice cream in our freezer any more. And some of the guest that 1'/llS there Hasn't in the neighborhood and >fe never kne>f who had the other part of the freezer and >fasn't able te me.ke ice crealH, too. A PDF transcript exists for this recording. 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